Comments on: My complaint to Elections Canada http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/ A grassroots view of green politics Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: By-Election Called: Is the Green Party of Canada Ready? : Canadian Election 2008 http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-6175 By-Election Called: Is the Green Party of Canada Ready? : Canadian Election 2008 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:20:32 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-6175 [...] commitment to running in SGI by picking up and moving to the West coast. It appears that  $62,000 has been commited to pre-writ spending, and the canvas is already in full swing. The die is pretty well cast, and [...] [...] commitment to running in SGI by picking up and moving to the West coast. It appears that  $62,000 has been commited to pre-writ spending, and the canvas is already in full swing. The die is pretty well cast, and [...]

]]> By: By-Election Called: Is the Green Party of Canada Ready? « Not an Official Green Party Canada Site http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-6174 By-Election Called: Is the Green Party of Canada Ready? « Not an Official Green Party Canada Site Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:09:16 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-6174 [...] a major commitment to running in SGI by picking up and moving to the West coast. It appears that  $62,000 has been commited to pre-writ spending, and the canvas is already in full swing. The die is pretty well cast, and [...] [...] a major commitment to running in SGI by picking up and moving to the West coast. It appears that  $62,000 has been commited to pre-writ spending, and the canvas is already in full swing. The die is pretty well cast, and [...]

]]> By: Green Party Digest: SGI, Hertzog Complaint, a Deputy Leader and the Missed Election « Kersten’s Kolumn http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-6018 Green Party Digest: SGI, Hertzog Complaint, a Deputy Leader and the Missed Election « Kersten’s Kolumn Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:01:09 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-6018 [...] has been a lot said about Hertzog and his filing of complaints to Elections Canada as a result of what he perceives to be an unfair nomination contest. While it’s natural that [...] [...] has been a lot said about Hertzog and his filing of complaints to Elections Canada as a result of what he perceives to be an unfair nomination contest. While it’s natural that [...]

]]> By: Don http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5908 Don Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:36:07 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5908 Stuart; I appreciate that you are running. Good for you. However I have heard so little from you as to why you are running and what your vision is. I want to know that you can capture hearts and minds and focus them on the fantastic heap of problems that we are accumulating and will bequeath to our kids. I want to see Candidates who inspire support, can speak eloquently and directly AND illustrate their ability to get things done. A Green MP is a goal worth fighting for. The Candidate who takes that torch has got to be able to show that a Green party MP is 1) Be capable of working within the system today to change it into the system we want tomorrow. Criticizing a system typically will not change it. You have to force it to evolve. If the 2) Be capable of inspiring support. Whatever the details of what has gone on in the run-up, focussing on the negative drags the negative along with you. Rise above it and show that you are higher than 'bickering'. If you want to show yourself as a leader - do it by inspiring, not by dragging down. Anyone can break something. Constructing something of value is an art. Just my 0.02. Don Stuart; I appreciate that you are running. Good for you. However I have heard so little from you as to why you are running and what your vision is. I want to know that you can capture hearts and minds and focus them on the fantastic heap of problems that we are accumulating and will bequeath to our kids.

I want to see Candidates who inspire support, can speak eloquently and directly AND illustrate their ability to get things done. A Green MP is a goal worth fighting for. The Candidate who takes that torch has got to be able to show that a Green party MP is

1) Be capable of working within the system today to change it into the system we want tomorrow. Criticizing a system typically will not change it. You have to force it to evolve. If the

2) Be capable of inspiring support.

Whatever the details of what has gone on in the run-up, focussing on the negative drags the negative along with you. Rise above it and show that you are higher than ‘bickering’. If you want to show yourself as a leader – do it by inspiring, not by dragging down. Anyone can break something. Constructing something of value is an art.

Just my 0.02.

Don

]]> By: Sebastian Ronin http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5876 Sebastian Ronin Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:38:03 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5876 Ard, Stuart's campaign is Stuart's campaign; my campaign is my campaign. There are philosophical and political points at which we converge, and yet at others we do not. The prime example of the latter is that Stuart believes enough in the GPC to be a member and to attempt his politicking through that medium. I, on the other hand, have considered the GPC to be a Green impostor and a betrayal since its inception. I have never been shy about this stance. To my understanding, it goes to the core of what constitutes "Green" politics. The core principles of decentralization and bioregionalism are either honoured, and acted upon, or they are not. If the political premise, i.e. the foundation, is false, then it stands to reason that the political action, i.e. the structure, will be false. If what is understood to be "Green" is the liberal pap that has been and is squeezed into the public psyche via the vehicle of the GPC, then it may very well be time to go "beyond Green"..."post-Green." I have stated as much in my Leadership Platform for the GPNS. It is an ongoing and, IMO, a delusional blind-spot for "contemporary" and federalist Greens to think that they hold a monopoly on eco-politics. Somewhere in this blog I have offered the perception that, due to historical decree, Fundi is about to become the new Realo. I mean it...and I own it. How popular it is, or how many Greens outside of Nova Scotia agree with me or not at this particular time, is secondary and moot. If you wish, in order to appreciate (though likely not agree with) the full scope of my stance, you may wish to check out my Platform: http://roningpns.ning.com/forum/topics/leadership-platform Ard, Stuart’s campaign is Stuart’s campaign; my campaign is my campaign. There are philosophical and political points at which we converge, and yet at others we do not. The prime example of the latter is that Stuart believes enough in the GPC to be a member and to attempt his politicking through that medium. I, on the other hand, have considered the GPC to be a Green impostor and a betrayal since its inception.

I have never been shy about this stance. To my understanding, it goes to the core of what constitutes “Green” politics. The core principles of decentralization and bioregionalism are either honoured, and acted upon, or they are not. If the political premise, i.e. the foundation, is false, then it stands to reason that the political action, i.e. the structure, will be false.

If what is understood to be “Green” is the liberal pap that has been and is squeezed into the public psyche via the vehicle of the GPC, then it may very well be time to go “beyond Green”…”post-Green.” I have stated as much in my Leadership Platform for the GPNS.

It is an ongoing and, IMO, a delusional blind-spot for “contemporary” and federalist Greens to think that they hold a monopoly on eco-politics. Somewhere in this blog I have offered the perception that, due to historical decree, Fundi is about to become the new Realo. I mean it…and I own it. How popular it is, or how many Greens outside of Nova Scotia agree with me or not at this particular time, is secondary and moot.

If you wish, in order to appreciate (though likely not agree with) the full scope of my stance, you may wish to check out my Platform:

http://roningpns.ning.com/forum/topics/leadership-platform

]]> By: Stuart Hertzog http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5871 Stuart Hertzog Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:54:59 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5871 Ard, I really think you should correspond with Sebastian if you want to find out exactly why he chose that route. I've given you my response and I don't want to comment further. I have other things to attend to right now. Ard, I really think you should correspond with Sebastian if you want to find out exactly why he chose that route. I’ve given you my response and I don’t want to comment further. I have other things to attend to right now.

]]> By: Ard Van Leeuwen http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5868 Ard Van Leeuwen Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:27:29 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5868 You don’t have to be “cognizant of the after-effects of Ms. May’s unsuccessful candidacy in Central Nova” in order to comment on Ronin’s boycott proposal. You just have to read his quote which says that “The core Green principles of decentralization and bioregionalism need to be re-introduced to Nova Scotia Greens,” said Mr. Ronin. “Both principles have been purged from Green politics by the federal GPC, for obvious reasons. Withdrawing candidate support for the GPC would be a concrete step towards this end.” I think you should want comment given that Sebastian and you are both battling on behalf of the core Green principles of decentralization, him to the point of calling for a GPC candidate boycott and you to the point of challenging the GPC leader in a candidate nomination contest. Before we talk further can we agree that Ronin’s decentralization supporting boycott tactic is wrong and not part of your proposed solution? If it was your own attempt at GPC candidacy wouldn’t make sense. You don’t have to be “cognizant of the after-effects of Ms. May’s unsuccessful candidacy in Central Nova” in order to comment on Ronin’s boycott proposal.

You just have to read his quote which says that “The core Green principles of decentralization and bioregionalism need to be re-introduced to Nova Scotia Greens,” said Mr. Ronin. “Both principles have been purged from Green politics by the federal GPC, for obvious reasons. Withdrawing candidate support for the GPC would be a concrete step towards this end.”

I think you should want comment given that Sebastian and you are both battling on behalf of the core Green principles of decentralization, him to the point of calling for a GPC candidate boycott and you to the point of challenging the GPC leader in a candidate nomination contest.

Before we talk further can we agree that Ronin’s decentralization supporting boycott tactic is wrong and not part of your proposed solution? If it was your own attempt at GPC candidacy wouldn’t make sense.

]]> By: Stuart Hertzog http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5864 Stuart Hertzog Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:07:28 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5864 You are quite right, Ard. It's certainly been very difficult to build much support for myself or my position in the too-brief campaign period allowed by the party's Campaign Committee, especially as I've been so severely handicapped by the inequality of of funds and access to party resources provided to me compared to those available to Ms May's campaign. But one has to start somewhere, and parachuting the leader of the Green Party into Saanich Gulf-Islands to me summarises all that is wrong with democracy in Canada and in the Green Party. So I decided to take a stand at this time. Obviously, I'm coming from behind as Ms. May already has a high profile in Canada and therefore in this riding. Anyone can comment on this blog as long as the comments are on topic and are not profane or unnecessarily ad hominem. Sebastian has made his opinions known here, as have many Elizabeth May supporters, who have sometimes try at excessive length to prove me wrong. I don't know the situation in Nova Scotia as I don't live there and have never even visited, so I wouldn't care to comment on Mr. Ronin's position other than to say he seems to be very serious in his motivations for suggesting that tactic. I'm not cognisant of the after-effects of Ms. May's unsuccessful candidacy in Central Nova, so for me to comment would be equivalent to Ms. May coming here ever so briefly and putting forward solutions to BC social and political problems. She may want to offer her comments as an outsider and a newcomer, but they will strictly be seen and valued only as such. You are quite right, Ard. It’s certainly been very difficult to build much support for myself or my position in the too-brief campaign period allowed by the party’s Campaign Committee, especially as I’ve been so severely handicapped by the inequality of of funds and access to party resources provided to me compared to those available to Ms May’s campaign.

But one has to start somewhere, and parachuting the leader of the Green Party into Saanich Gulf-Islands to me summarises all that is wrong with democracy in Canada and in the Green Party. So I decided to take a stand at this time. Obviously, I’m coming from behind as Ms. May already has a high profile in Canada and therefore in this riding.

Anyone can comment on this blog as long as the comments are on topic and are not profane or unnecessarily ad hominem. Sebastian has made his opinions known here, as have many Elizabeth May supporters, who have sometimes try at excessive length to prove me wrong. I don’t know the situation in Nova Scotia as I don’t live there and have never even visited, so I wouldn’t care to comment on Mr. Ronin’s position other than to say he seems to be very serious in his motivations for suggesting that tactic.

I’m not cognisant of the after-effects of Ms. May’s unsuccessful candidacy in Central Nova, so for me to comment would be equivalent to Ms. May coming here ever so briefly and putting forward solutions to BC social and political problems. She may want to offer her comments as an outsider and a newcomer, but they will strictly be seen and valued only as such.

]]> By: Ard Van Leeuwen http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5863 Ard Van Leeuwen Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:29:46 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5863 Stuart, judging from all the comments on your last two blog posts it doesn’t look like you’re building much support for what you are trying to do. Sebastian Ronin, perhaps your most ardent blog supporter, has proposed that local Greens in Nova Scotia not let their names stand as federal election candidates for the Green Party of Canada. The Truro Daily News published his thoughts in an article entitled “Provincial Green Party Leadership Candidate Proposes Boycott of Fielding GPC Federal Election Candidates” (http://trurodaily.com/index.cfm?sid=286725&sc=721 ). Do you support Sebastian’s boycott proposal? Do you want the support of someone who is using his status as a Green Party of Nova Scotia provincial leadership candidate to try and damage the GPC regardless of any outcome of your nomination contest? Stuart, judging from all the comments on your last two blog posts it doesn’t look like you’re building much support for what you are trying to do.

Sebastian Ronin, perhaps your most ardent blog supporter, has proposed that local Greens in Nova Scotia not let their names stand as federal election candidates for the Green Party of Canada. The Truro Daily News published his thoughts in an article entitled “Provincial Green Party Leadership Candidate Proposes Boycott of Fielding GPC Federal Election Candidates” (http://trurodaily.com/index.cfm?sid=286725&sc=721 ).

Do you support Sebastian’s boycott proposal? Do you want the support of someone who is using his status as a Green Party of Nova Scotia provincial leadership candidate to try and damage the GPC regardless of any outcome of your nomination contest?

]]> By: Stuart Hertzog http://greenpolitics.ca/2009/09/my-complaint-to-elections-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-5826 Stuart Hertzog Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:35:53 +0000 http://greenpolitics.ca/?p=477#comment-5826 Sorry that you found our debate so unrewarding. Thank you for your time. Sorry that you found our debate so unrewarding. Thank you for your time.

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