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		<title>By: Roy Ball</title>
		<link>http://greenpolitics.ca/2008/09/green-politics-is-non-hierarchical/comment-page-1/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart

I was one of the few councillors who opposed the Byzantine interpretation of bylaws that dogged GPBC&#039;s efforts in 2007. When I was Organizing Chair (previous to 2007) I introduced Regional Organizers (as well as regional reps)and some much simpler operational guidelines to make the local organizing run smoother. This was effective in building the regional teams but was all undone in 2007 because of an overly bureaucratic approach.

GPBC membership voted on the military issue at the 2007 AGM and decided to accept Amnesty International&#039;s guidelines (proposed by me)on military involvements rather than a pacifistic approach (proposed by you and some other people).

My personal viewpoint would correspond with yours in an ideal world. Unfortunately we do not live in such an ideal world. As an example: one of the most heavily militarized country per capita(switzerland)has maintained it&#039;s neutrality and territory relatively bloodlessly since they booted the Austrians out centuries ago.They have not done this by being pacifists but by being armed to the teeth so it is too costly for their neighbours to mess with them.

When humans can stop their incessant greed and grabbing for each others resources then I will agree that the huge efforts wasted on military should stop completely. Until then: you and i will have to differ on this.

Hopefully we can work together in other areas (like bioregions for example) to save as much of the planet as we can.

It certainly needs a lot of saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart</p>
<p>I was one of the few councillors who opposed the Byzantine interpretation of bylaws that dogged GPBC&#8217;s efforts in 2007. When I was Organizing Chair (previous to 2007) I introduced Regional Organizers (as well as regional reps)and some much simpler operational guidelines to make the local organizing run smoother. This was effective in building the regional teams but was all undone in 2007 because of an overly bureaucratic approach.</p>
<p>GPBC membership voted on the military issue at the 2007 AGM and decided to accept Amnesty International&#8217;s guidelines (proposed by me)on military involvements rather than a pacifistic approach (proposed by you and some other people).</p>
<p>My personal viewpoint would correspond with yours in an ideal world. Unfortunately we do not live in such an ideal world. As an example: one of the most heavily militarized country per capita(switzerland)has maintained it&#8217;s neutrality and territory relatively bloodlessly since they booted the Austrians out centuries ago.They have not done this by being pacifists but by being armed to the teeth so it is too costly for their neighbours to mess with them.</p>
<p>When humans can stop their incessant greed and grabbing for each others resources then I will agree that the huge efforts wasted on military should stop completely. Until then: you and i will have to differ on this.</p>
<p>Hopefully we can work together in other areas (like bioregions for example) to save as much of the planet as we can.</p>
<p>It certainly needs a lot of saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Hertzog</title>
		<link>http://greenpolitics.ca/2008/09/green-politics-is-non-hierarchical/comment-page-1/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Hertzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed you you say that you have supported Victoria in its bioregional approach in the past when I understand that it was you who devised and introduced the Byzantine set of rules that effectively disempowered the BC Green Party&#039;s constituency associations, and the South Island groups in particular. 

I&#039;m also amazed that a person such as yourself, whom I understand partly owns a company that makes military video range-finding gear and video surveillance software, would even contemplate membership in a Green Party that is nominally opposed to militarism -- at least it was when I joined a long time ago. 

Could you please explain how you reconcile your commercial and Party activities with the stated aims of grassroots empowerment and non-militarisation of the BC Green Party -- or are you the shape of things to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed you you say that you have supported Victoria in its bioregional approach in the past when I understand that it was you who devised and introduced the Byzantine set of rules that effectively disempowered the BC Green Party&#8217;s constituency associations, and the South Island groups in particular. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also amazed that a person such as yourself, whom I understand partly owns a company that makes military video range-finding gear and video surveillance software, would even contemplate membership in a Green Party that is nominally opposed to militarism &#8212; at least it was when I joined a long time ago. </p>
<p>Could you please explain how you reconcile your commercial and Party activities with the stated aims of grassroots empowerment and non-militarisation of the BC Green Party &#8212; or are you the shape of things to come?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Ball</title>
		<link>http://greenpolitics.ca/2008/09/green-politics-is-non-hierarchical/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bio Regional approach
I have supported Victoria in its bioregional approach in the past and would like to see Green parties make this a priority.
Communications from the central party are virtually 100% top down. I suggest starting a weekly Action Alerts bulletin to supporters telling them and letting them tell each other what is going on, looking for volunteers, share ideas for local events, etc. We have done this successfully in FVBC and the supporter growth has been impressive.
One tricky area is fund-raising. Very few volunteers are willing to do this (Oh! How we have tried!!! With almost no success) and I recommend using professionals but … hard as it may be given the fiscal state of GPBC it is important to distribute some of this money to local groups. This has been discussed ad nauseum but still not being done as far as I know.
If GPBC doesn’t focus on getting local groups to do things rather than organize them centrally then membership will continue to stagnate and with it the financial base you need to make a political party effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bio Regional approach<br />
I have supported Victoria in its bioregional approach in the past and would like to see Green parties make this a priority.<br />
Communications from the central party are virtually 100% top down. I suggest starting a weekly Action Alerts bulletin to supporters telling them and letting them tell each other what is going on, looking for volunteers, share ideas for local events, etc. We have done this successfully in FVBC and the supporter growth has been impressive.<br />
One tricky area is fund-raising. Very few volunteers are willing to do this (Oh! How we have tried!!! With almost no success) and I recommend using professionals but … hard as it may be given the fiscal state of GPBC it is important to distribute some of this money to local groups. This has been discussed ad nauseum but still not being done as far as I know.<br />
If GPBC doesn’t focus on getting local groups to do things rather than organize them centrally then membership will continue to stagnate and with it the financial base you need to make a political party effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Hertzog</title>
		<link>http://greenpolitics.ca/2008/09/green-politics-is-non-hierarchical/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Hertzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Brian. Being able to post motions for an Annual General Meeting via the Internet is a good start towards a distributed democratic process. But the fact that the BC Green Party still expects members to travel to an AGM to be able to vote on the motions rather negates this progress. Secure, online voting should be available to enable all members to decide policy on an ongoing basis, not just once a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brian. Being able to post motions for an Annual General Meeting via the Internet is a good start towards a distributed democratic process. But the fact that the BC Green Party still expects members to travel to an AGM to be able to vote on the motions rather negates this progress. Secure, online voting should be available to enable all members to decide policy on an ongoing basis, not just once a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bioregions a good idea&lt;/strong&gt;

Stuart:

I really like the idea of using bioregions to define regions -- are you going to bring this idea to the AGM in the form of a structural rule change? Do you have a sense for how many regions there would be and what the boundaries might look like? I think you are right that we are struggling to engage the grassroots and we need to support that as a party. maybe we should select candidates on the basis of their commitment to organize in between elections as well. We seem to attract candidates, but then nothing happens &#039;tween elections. There was a regional office in prince george (now closed though) which was supported by the CAs in the region - that happened organically due to people in the area willing to organize. There&#039;s nothing stopping people from organizing, but as you point out maybe there&#039;s nothing helping them do so either.

Brian had an idea to use the Internet for policy development and I think this could still work -- someone needs to facilitate each area of discussion and agree to write out a policy or nothing will come of online input. So maybe we need policy moderators or something like that to help facilitate or document consensual decisions from the discussion on a topic area. 

BTW, members can vote on policy without coming to the AGM -- ballots can be mailed in. This is not as good as participating on an ongoing basis. But at least members have a voice of some sort. I don&#039;t believe other parties do this at all in any way...but could be wrong. 

I look forward to more ideas about how we can engage grassroots and get people interested in organizing and working locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bioregions a good idea</strong></p>
<p>Stuart:</p>
<p>I really like the idea of using bioregions to define regions &#8212; are you going to bring this idea to the AGM in the form of a structural rule change? Do you have a sense for how many regions there would be and what the boundaries might look like? I think you are right that we are struggling to engage the grassroots and we need to support that as a party. maybe we should select candidates on the basis of their commitment to organize in between elections as well. We seem to attract candidates, but then nothing happens &#8216;tween elections. There was a regional office in prince george (now closed though) which was supported by the CAs in the region &#8211; that happened organically due to people in the area willing to organize. There&#8217;s nothing stopping people from organizing, but as you point out maybe there&#8217;s nothing helping them do so either.</p>
<p>Brian had an idea to use the Internet for policy development and I think this could still work &#8212; someone needs to facilitate each area of discussion and agree to write out a policy or nothing will come of online input. So maybe we need policy moderators or something like that to help facilitate or document consensual decisions from the discussion on a topic area. </p>
<p>BTW, members can vote on policy without coming to the AGM &#8212; ballots can be mailed in. This is not as good as participating on an ongoing basis. But at least members have a voice of some sort. I don&#8217;t believe other parties do this at all in any way&#8230;but could be wrong. </p>
<p>I look forward to more ideas about how we can engage grassroots and get people interested in organizing and working locally.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://greenpolitics.ca/2008/09/green-politics-is-non-hierarchical/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Policy resolutions can be made on-line&lt;/b&gt;

Great post!

What do you think about the policy resolutions proposed for the 2008 AGM posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/agm2008/policy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?

Everyone is invited to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/node/add/resolution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;propose a new policy resolution&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/resolutions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment on resolutions proposed by others&lt;/a&gt;.

Go Green!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Policy resolutions can be made on-line</b></p>
<p>Great post!</p>
<p>What do you think about the policy resolutions proposed for the 2008 AGM posted <a href="http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/agm2008/policy" rel="nofollow">here</a>?</p>
<p>Everyone is invited to <a href="http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/node/add/resolution" rel="nofollow">propose a new policy resolution</a> and <a href="http://www.greenparty.bc.ca/resolutions" rel="nofollow">comment on resolutions proposed by others</a>.</p>
<p>Go Green!</p>
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